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#24 - 10/22/02 10:51 AM Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode"
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Has anyone experienced this? My son is 9 years old and has Aspergers. He has been in OT since 3 and is doing OK in school. The school is very supportive and we have a very large IEP team working with him. Our problem is that he would rather pretend he is someone else (right now it is Venom from Spiderman, but has been Batman, Darth Vader, Arnold Schwaranegger among others)--I do believe that he is trying to appear "powerful" to himself and he has stated that because he is different, kids tease him and it is better to pretend that he is someone else. Also, we need him to understand that this is not OK in school. Getting him to understand that other people's feelings count and they may not want to hear the other pretend characters is not an easy concept for him. The teachers are all aware of this and are sensitive to it, and the other children involved have been talked to. The lack of social intuition makes it hard for him to begin with and I think that the pretending makes it even harder for him. Any suggestions? (I am currently in search of a child therapist who is familiar with Aspergers/NLD that he can talk to). Any advice would be great!! Carol

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#74964 - 04/09/07 06:00 PM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Anonymous]
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Oh - last one. I went right back to the beginning and I found this. Nobody responded - so I will now - seems to me that this child has developed his own coping method. Probably quite a good strategy. It's good that the teachers were sensitive to this child's needs.

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#74968 - 04/09/07 07:47 PM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Ellen]
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Something my son's SPL is doing is creating a book with him showing charecteristics that are good and not so good. It might be a neat way to do one based off the superhero. So on one side show Venom -- the other side the good and bad parts of him. Then on the next pg, show him the good parts and the parts to be worked on.
Instead of trying to take away the coping technique, use it to your advantage.
Or a contrast book of good superheros vs the bad guys. What makes hero's hero's... and what makes a villan nasty.
SPL should be able to do this because it is about communication.
lol, i'm getting all excited about all the options it opens up!!!!
My son (who is 7 yrs) is struggling with social but we haven't found an interest we can exploit to our advantage :P
Panthosette

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#74970 - 04/09/07 07:56 PM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Panthosette]
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I think you can even do this with television programmes - perhaps have a discussion about a tv programme - you could discuss and analyse a programme such as Mr Bean or any programme I guess.

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lol, i'm getting all excited about all the options it opens up!!!!

this idea does open up a lot of options that are worth getting excited about.

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#74976 - 04/09/07 10:48 PM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Ellen]
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I like the Mr. Bean choice... we watch it on mute... so there are no cues on when to laugh and we don't miss any important dialogue. Same with Just For Laugh Gags.

We also go for coffee at our local grocery store and play "what are ppl thinking"... pretty self-explanatory. Great way to incorp body lang into how to read ppl... some wander aimlessly since they can't decide what to buy. others have a list and seem to be in a race with themselves to get out. Kids scream over the treats they can't have. The SPL supports it be incorp it with the small group social skills program and the "books" she makes for him.


Thinking in the bigger picture... don't we all pretend to be someone we are not at times. I pretend to be a good daughter-in-law and behave appropriately instead of telling them that it isn't thier job to fix me into what they think i should be.
I pretend to be a good aunt to my new nephew and to dote over him when really he is an ugly baby and the parents need a parenting class.
I pretended to be a good employee who loved thier job when really I didn't like some of the kids or adults I worked with.
Pretending to be someone is what I see as being polite in the NT world. I see it as we have to create different facets of our personalities that "fit" with the situation if we want to fit into different groups of ppl. I don't see it as a negitive all the time if you know how to use it.
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#74978 - 04/09/07 11:33 PM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Panthosette]
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Wow, Panthosette you have come up with some very clever ways to teach socialization skills, I am impressed!

I find sometimes if I pretend something long enough it actually starts to become how I am or feel, kind of like see it, be it. Sometimes that is a good thing to replace bad habits with good.

Linda

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#74991 - 04/10/07 07:30 AM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Mom4Max]
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I see it more as turning a switch on and off. I can turn on "happy social" me when out... then come home and turn it off and be me.
"happy social" is still me, just revved up...
I have a few different "facets" I can use when needed to better fit in and get what I want out of the certain situation. I guess this is my coping technique :P

I don't really see it as pretending to be someone else.... but pretending to be someone else could be a good segway to teach how to use those traits that are inherent that you always can't reach for extended periods of time. Maybe by being someone else, you can safely tap into them and practice them until they are comfortable.

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#74993 - 04/10/07 07:58 AM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Panthosette]
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My son when he started school pretended he was a tiger. He is now 14 and still clings to his stuffed tiger. His Kindergarten teacher saw that he was wired differently than others, but explained that there were ok times and not ok times to be on all fours and roar/meow instead of using his voice. He ultimately was able to be redirected. We would buy him shirts and hats and backpacks,etc. with wild cats all over them so when he wore them people could see he was a tiger without having to act like one. It motivated him to have less attention from the teacher. He hates when people tell him what to do when he feels it is his choice. Yes, he was that willful from the time he left the womb. That is why I refer to myself as "Mother Tiger"
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#75043 - 04/11/07 05:32 AM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: Panthosette]
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Panthosette, I love the supermarket games you play. I'm trying to use my imagination to think of other useful situations in which this would apply.


 Originally Posted By: Panthosette
I see it more as turning a switch on and off.


This is great. But the fact that you can turn it on and off delineates a difference. I suspect that this is the sort of NT behaviour that gets some of our fave aspies scratching their heads from time to time. I am just saying this in response to some discussion from earlier in the year, when someone said they didn't get NT behaviour and they found it fake. But you obviously know that it is important to keep well oiled wheels running smoothly.

My Max likes to impersonate animals. Usually meerkats as they have a distinctive body movement. It is usually in response to a difficult or unfamiliar situation, such as when he was having his tests for dx. When we went in for the results, the tester, who had not previously met him, had a concerned look on her face, as she thought he may be extremely dysfunctional. We had to reassure her that it was just for her benefit he did it and he didn't normally walk around on all fours sniffing furniture (and her!) and making noises.
Sometimes I will see him start to sniff the air in a very public way and I gently tell him not to do it. At home I let him get it out of his system.
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#75045 - 04/11/07 08:11 AM Re: Aspergers Child always in "Pretend Mode" [Re: vegemite mum]
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lol, I'm AS :P
I was able to harness the coping tech of pretend into plausible charecter(s) to cope in a more acceptable manner in high stress situations. I was simply suggesting something similar... as that is the point of the "grocery game" for my son and I. To see and understand the NT behr, then pick wich ones that are most comfortable to us then figure out which situations they work best in. We incorp his pretend world so that they can compliment each other and draw similarities to make the replacement behr more comfortable.
I appreciate most aspies can't/don't/ aren't able too. Maybe that's why I don't post as much. I'm finding that the definition of AS here is getting very narrow.. and quick vehement discussions about what AS is or isn't and it's very black and white... I'm finding my version of AS doesn't fit. It was simply a suggestion that has worked for myself and is working for my kiddo. I feel that if two ppl on the spectrum how found it useful, then there must be a chance it may work for others.. not for everyone mind you, but worth sticking out there for consideration.
I found it very neat M likes to use a meerkat! My son was sparky the dog.. still is at times. And "sparky" is very loud, lol, and he confuses the neighbours dogs.
Panthosette

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