I was wondering if any one elese requiressolid definitions for the world to function for them.

Alot of people often do not understand why I always press for diagnosis, it is not because I want this to be an exclusive club or anything but if some one says they are an aspi and are not diagnosed my mind does not know what to do.

This happens to me in every day life, how can a person claim knowledge they do not have, the correct phrase would be" I suspect i'm an aspi, or I'm a self diagnosed aspi.

To me to make a claim to be one and then a professional says they are not, does that make that person a lier? I don't know this is where my problem lies.

I my boss asks me did my apprentice tighten a connection in a power bord and I say yes, when in reality I do not know because I didn't ask, I just assumed because it was logical that he would, and after words the house when onfire because the connection was in actuallity not tightened, did I lie, or if it was tightened, did I tell the truth?

Now if I said" I assume the connection was tightened, i have disclaimed and given the proper information to my boss's question and what he does with the rest of the information is his business.

In my life when somethign does not have a definiton that is directly involved with me it is like trying to grab water, I just cannot lock onto it in my hand, or in this subjects case, in my head.

How can any one logically claim knowledge they do not have with out stateing the facts and disclaimers.

I always say if my information is, personal opinion, from a prefessional or if i read it in a books that way those who read it are not misled.

What I'm asking is for every one's opinions so that maybe I can solve this conflict in my head.

Thank you all.
Kirk.

i'm self diagnosed and i admit i could be wrong (but i dont feel i am) from someone elses veiw. but then it is not their point of view that counts. i can understand your example of being wrong about assuming someone has done something, because something bad will happen if they haven't. but nothing bad happens if you are wrong about being aspie.

In the end having a diagnoses is just for reasurance and extra guidance if you want it. I'm happy not having a diagnosis because the people i love believe i am and that is enough for me. i dont want to be treated differently by strangers because of having the diagnostic label, and to me it is quite a personal subject.

I do see where you are coming from when talking about false aspie claims, but at the end of the day who can tell whether the person doing the diagnosis is correct? What if there is an element of aspie they havn't picked up on? i feel it's the persons feeling that counts (once they have done appropiate research)

And i dont think anyone would lie about being aspie for attention cos it would be so damn obvious they were lying.

however i do understand and apprieciate your point.

luv k8 x

p.s. i hope this doesn't sound to rude cos i didn't mean it to be. i really do see where you are coming from and i am more or less sitting on the fence however i wanted to show the other point of veiw.

As we are talking of solid definitions and also because I am interested and I like to look up facts on the internet - I looked to find out the prevalence of aspergers. Going by census data the National Autistic Society gives a figure of 36 in 10,000 in the United Kingdom, total being 417,400.
A study undertaken in 1993 by Ehlers and Gillberg in Gothenburg calculated a rate of 36 per 10,000 for those who definitely had Asperger syndrome. This number rose to 7.1 per 1000 when suspected and possible cases of aspergers were included.
http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=299&a=3527
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8294522&dopt=Abstract

In General, this is not just about aspergers, the fact that you say you are self diagnosed makes every thing you post alright to me as people are informed. Some one saying they are self diagnosed makes everything alright to the degree what people understand the nature of your ideas.
If I read your posts and know you are self diagnosed , I and every one else takes your information with in it's proper context, we get to make an informed decision on your idea's.
Ellen, I was more trying to get accross that ir is the context in which people speak and make claims that confuses me. I am professionally diagnosed, but to be exact, a professor of Autism disorders says I have it and straks his reputation and name on it, I say I am me.
K8, your post is logical and makes sence, thank you for your input.

Kirk.

Oh - Looking back I think I may have read two of your posts Kirk - this one and another one in another thread - it seems I have joined the two together in my mind and posted a confusing response to your initial question in this thread - I apologise.