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#96545 - 11/03/09 10:58 AM Re: Medication [Re: johnblackwell]
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How can you confuse bees with wasps? They look completely different from each other. Sheesh.
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#96555 - 11/03/09 02:07 PM Re: Medication [Re: BK_G]
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Originally Posted By: BK_G
John may well correct me, but my understanding is that the Africanized bees are radically different.

Any honeybees will attack if an animal exhales violently into their hive. It is true that 'African' bees are the least unaggressive, requiring less stimulus before attacking, and persisting longer in an attack.

I generally intervene if a small child seems about to stick his finger into a beehive, or to breathe so close to the entrance as to risk an attack, though as I said before it is remarkable to see how lacking they are in any 'instinct' that honeybees are dangerous.

I am much more willing to let a child 'play' with a swarm of honeybees. This is also a remarkable sight, with a tight cluster of 10,000 to 50,000 bees hanging from a twig of a tree. While swarming, honeybees have nothing to defend (rather like people on vacation) so it is almost impossible to persuade them to sting. While standing on a ladder, I once cut a lower twig off so I could reach the bees on a higher twig (to collect the 'freebees' and put them in a hive of mine) but had not realized the two branches 'crossed' further in. The lower branch sprung up when relieved of the weight, and struck the upper branch, shaking about 10,000 bees off the upper twig onto my upturned face. (I was not wearing any protective gear.)

This was early morning, so the bees were too cold to fly. I could feel them walking around on my face, into my nostrils, etc., and could hear the woman who had called the police and then me to collect the bees screaming in the background. I was more afraid of her than the bees, and she later told me she had run for the garden hose before realizing I was OK.

After maybe 15 minutes, the bees in contact with my skin had warmed up enough to fly back to the cluster, so I could open my eyes, move around, breathe normally, etc. but there were several thousand bees on my clothing where they would not warm up in any reasonable time. I asked the woman to bring a hairdryer on an extension cord to warm these bees up enough to fly - I didn't want to waste them.

Not one of the 10,000 bees stung me. I have often let small children, including my son, push a hand into a swarm (after asking them to be gentle, because bees are very small and fragile). They are fascinated to feel the cluster give way, and then see the bees clinging to their hand when they withdraw. I tell them to keep fairly still while the warmth of their hand lets the bees fly back to the cluster.

Only once has a parent admonished me for endangering her daughter.
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#96558 - 11/03/09 03:56 PM Re: Medication [Re: johnblackwell]
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you obviously know your bees-ness. I would not have an issue if you were holding a class for kids and had my kid put their hand inside a swarm. I'd do it first to show them that there is nothing to fear and how it feels. now if you just came up to us on the street and try that then I would have a problem. bees generally speaking are not aggressive unless disturbed
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#96566 - 11/03/09 05:26 PM Re: Medication [Re: I am not crazy]
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It is still not worth the risk if one sting can kill you.
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#96569 - 11/04/09 06:51 AM Re: Medication [Re: BK_G]
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well only if you are allergic to them. then common sense would take over I hope; and you wouldn't put yourself in needless risk. besides we can fix an allergic reaction easily enough
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#96576 - 11/04/09 09:51 AM Re: Medication [Re: I am not crazy]
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Sure you can; you can fix it if you get there in time.
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#96580 - 11/04/09 10:41 AM Re: Medication [Re: BK_G]
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have you heard of an epi-pen and benadryl? they do have those medications available in Canada don't they? hit yourself with an epipen autoinjector and take 50mg benadryl and it should hold you over to get to a hospital to get corticod steriods to keep the swelling down.
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#96582 - 11/04/09 12:31 PM Re: Medication [Re: I am not crazy]
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I have them, but only carry them in bee season. Actually, a buddy had to use the epipen once, for a reaction to Yellow #3 dye, I believe he said it was; common dye in some food products (tartrazine or something like that?).
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#96781 - 11/17/09 12:36 PM Re: Medication [Re: v-dog]
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I am new here. I guess that this is a totally individual thing about medication and I will tell your our experience about that.
The concerta did not work that well, but the Daytrana 20 invisible patch applied to hip before the school day worked wonders in conjunction with tutoring.
When he was 9 or 10 my son was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD but there seemed to be something more going on. At his lowest point, he failed every subject in 8th grade in the public school despite having a very high IQ. Teachers thought he was not trying when he was. They would not let him repeat 8th grade when we thought he needed to. He was not at all mature enough for high school so we did something radical. We enrolled him in a nearby private expensive school that specialized in teaching children with learning disabilities (dyslexia, and ADD/ADHD being the main ones. Thankfully the school was less than an hour away so he did not need to board there as most did. One of the teacchers atthis wonderful school noticed our son (a firstborn) was not interacting with his peers in the normal way and wanted us to get him tested independently of the public school system.
Then my son was finally diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome when he was 16 when the public school had insisted it was only anxiety!
One doctor suggested the Daytrana patch. We tried different strengths and the 20 mg patch was terrific. Rigt away teachers asked us what was going on. Our son was doing so much better io n school. He could answer a question out loud in class. Another classmate asked he he "was on brain steroids"? Anyhow, after repeating 8th grade & discovering he had many talent he had never known about before he gained confidence and made the honor roll for the first time. He became a chess champion, excelled in orienteering, fencing and running! Before he thought he had no talents. His history, math and science grades went up in 8 & 9th grades, but the school only went up to 9th grade. His personal tutor gave him the skills he needed to succeed in the public high school. He is a senior now and made the honor roll for the 1st time in the public school system!!! This is amazing if you saw what he went through his whole life. He now has a part time computer assistant job at his high school and has run on the HS cross country running team for 4 years which has helped him tremendously socially. The Daytrana patch is something no one outside his family knows about and it really helps him focus. Best of all, he can control it. There are no ups and down like with tablets and he can take it off after classes, before sports, or later if has has a paper to write that night.
We have counseling support and resource room support in place for when he needs it, but is becoming more independent this year.
In this case, I do think medication made a difference on his SAT scores, combined with the time extension he gets. He wants to study computer Science in college next year, but will only live home and go locally at this point in time.

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#96786 - 11/17/09 10:34 PM Re: Medication [Re: quietcornermom]
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It sounds wonderful that you have found something to help him like that. Anxiety is probably the most debilitating of the challenges we aspies face, and mastering that opens the door to allow our talents to break free.
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